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Front Page Design

I'm starting to wonder how useful the map is on the main page. It seems to take a while to load on some browsers and as the wiki grows i think it will be VERY difficult to maintain.

I'm thinking we should have a main page more like that of Wikitravel with featured locations, featured Articles and news etc. --George Drummond 04:53, 2 December 2006 (MST)

  • I think it would be good to have featured rivers and articles etc on the main page. Also wouldn't it be more productive to have one map per region, instead of on the main page. As you said it does make the page load a little slower, and it's also more difficult to find what you're looking for no a global scale if you only want, say, Alpine or African rivers to begin with. DevAnubis 06:48, 4 December 2006 (MST)
  • EDIT: also, although as regions grow we'll end up with a similar problem of maintain such a BIG list, it would be easier to filter work down through groups if there were maps per region instead of one central one. ~~

I will start to look at making a new front page that is more informational, with the featured rivers and articles idea.

I also think that in terms of grouping rivers, we should work from top down so

  • Continent
    • Country
      • County/State/Region
        • River Name/Location

It would be easier i think to group rivers and maintain the lists using categories, which are great at keeping things in order.

Tell me what you think --George Drummond 07:52, 4 December 2006 (MST)

categories will definitely make things easier! I think if we have a map at country level that would work best, as you can then see what's around in the whole country, and/or zoom in for specific areas. If we add in the help section for creating new articles that they should add the location of the river to the appropriate country map that should make things a little easier too. - DevAnubis 10:13, 4 December 2006 (MST)
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Wiki structure?

Been thinking about structure of the site in general, site could have way more sections than we currently have. Dunno what you think?

  • Books
  • Canoeing
  • Equipment
  • Kayaking
    • Kayak Polo
    • Playboating
    • Slalom
    • WWR
  • Places
    • Continent
      • Country
        • Region
          • River
  • Rafting
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Help

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Wikipaddle

  • Wikipaddle stuff

--George Drummond 16:42, 21 December 2006 (MST)

That would make seance, to separate out open canoes and kayaks, and then have sub-disciplines too. DevAnubis 06:13, 22 December 2006 (MST)
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New Page

It's great! Do you mind if I add a couple of minor details? (eg. links to "Boats", "Paddles", etc. under equipment)? - DevAnubis 06:07, 24 December 2006 (MST)

Thanks. I think that it is an improvement from what it was before. I was trying to make it easier for people to find stuff and kind of used ideas from wikipedia and wikitravel. I also changed the permissions so registered users can edit the page. --George Drummond 06:15, 24 December 2006 (MST)
Feel free to add! --George Drummond 06:24, 24 December 2006 (MST)

Just a thought, it may be better to bring back the continent bar we had before, that was good. - DevAnubis 08:48, 29 December 2006 (MST)

I forgot about that. I have added it back but I think it would fit better into Portal:Places.--George Drummond 10:18, 29 December 2006 (MST)
I think it would do well in both actually. Also I think it would look better to have between the main-page info and the destination/navigation boxes. -

DevAnubis 11:52, 29 December 2006 (MST)

Yup I think that would work well, maybe also adding the Types of kayaking to the front page as it is now. -- Seanieb 13:58, 9 February 2007
I think we could fit the types of kayaking bit maybe in the top section where the intro text is like what wikitravel have done with their continent links. --George Drummond 14:34, 9 February 2007 (MST)
A thought: We ned to actualy write the diseplin pages first. Why are we talking about putting pages that don't exist onto the FRONT PAGE? The worse things we could do is put red links onto the main page. I say we wait, gather content, adapt what we have, and then consider ading diseplins to the main pages later down the line. - DevAnubis 16:10, 9 February 2007 (MST)
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Image Repository

We REALLY need to get this sorted out. At the moment it's a little higgldy piggldy with what licenses are offered, and what is actually provided.

I propose we have the following: 

   Creative Commons:
   * Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0 (Default for Wikipaddle)
   * Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0
   * A ttribution-ShareAlike 2.5
   * Any Attribution-ShareAlike (1.0 and above) >>> (I vote this be the default, that way future licensed from the CC are covered too)
   * (and do we really need the basic "Attribution" ones??)
   Copyleft:
   * Gnu Free Documentation License
   * Free Arts License
   Copyright:
   * Logo
   * Book Cover
   Public Domain:
   * Copyright has expired on the work
   * Created by US Federal Government (is this REALLY needed?)
   * Dedicated to the Public Domain by the Creator
   *(do we really need dual-licenses? it's not often you want to combine CC with Gnu, and FreeArts is close to the FDL but specifically for images...)

also I think we should restructure the accreditation to be more like Wikipedia's new system (example) a template for description, author.creator, other details ect. instead of just a summary which could contain anything...

so to summarise, it needs a shake up and popper ordering/features. I'm more than willing to get the templates done, once we can decide on appropriate licensed, tags ect. I say keep them simple: {{Gnu}} {{FreeArt}} {{ShareAlike}} {{ShareAlike1}} {{ShareAlike2}} {{ShareAlike2.5}} {{PD}} {{PD-self}} {{PD-US}} {{Copyright-logo}} {{Copyright-book}}

what do you think? - DevAnubis 14:22, 9 January 2007 (MST)

Sorry for late reply, been busy lately.
I didnt have GFDL as one of the options to start with after reading this page on wikitravel. Having it as a dual license with CC I think covers these problems.
I think that the Creative Commons Attribution License 1.0 would be a good default license, then work is covered by other licenses as well.
The public domain by US Federal Government is good for lots of maps, which are used on wikipedia so I say keep it.
The summary template on wikipedia sounds like a much better idea that what we are using at the moment.
--George Drummond 05:50, 11 January 2007 (MST)
Ok, so we keep CC and GFDL as a combined license. But I still think we should add the Free Arts License... - DevAnubis 06:46, 11 January 2007 (MST)

Ok, I've figured this out finally.

The discussion you linked to from WikiTravle is referring to the overall licensing for the Wiki, NOT the image Licensing.

Wikipedia uses the Gnu FDL to license everything on the site (but images can have any other license applied to them). Wikitravle, and you at Wikipaddle too, use the CC Share-Aline 2.5 to license everything (plus image licensing).

The discussion was about all content, specifically text and information, on Wikitravle. Licensed under the CC SA license, it can't be released under the FDL. Their discussion was to allow individuals the right to release their work (text contributions) on Wikitravle under the dual license of by-sa and G-FDL.

Just so you know ;). - DevAnubis 06:10, 15 January 2007 (MST)

Good point about wikipedia being under GNU and letting images be under CC.
Looks as if its ok to have GDFL as an option then. I will try and add it when I have some time but I have been busy with exams lately.
If there are any other licenses you think should be added then say. I will add that free art one you mentioned.
Good work DevAnubis, Cheers --George Drummond 17:02, 16 January 2007 (MST)
that's all right, I too have exams at the moment, and this is my TRYING to cut down on internet time lol. I'll be writing a bit more next week though :). - DevAnubis 05:50, 17 January 2007 (MST)

Added GFDL, free art and also that template summary. Think we should cut back on the creative commons as there are so many. Also do we still want to get rid of the dual licenses? --George Drummond 16:48, 22 January 2007 (MST)

Having thought it through a bit I think it would be better to keep them, just in case they're needed. - DevAnubis 03:50, 23 January 2007 (MST)
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Whitewater or White Water

I think we should try to standardise which we use. I typically write it as one word, but I know it's often used in book titles and by many people as two words...

What do you think? - DevAnubis 05:27, 28 January 2007 (MST)

Personally I would use whitewater, although I think white water is the correct way of writing it as many books write it this way as you said. It is also worth noting that wiktionary use white water. --George Drummond 14:25, 28 January 2007 (MST)
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How to start a page

Hey, could anyone tell me where the "Create Page" link is, I've tried looking for it but I just cant find it. -- Cam

Hey Cam, welcome to wikipaddle. You can see the various ways of starting a new page here. If you need anymore help then just say. --George Drummond 11:00, 11 February 2007 (MST)
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I'm Back!

Right, exams are over, and I'm about to have a whole 8 weeks of free time on my hands so expect some writ-ups, though I will be looking to get a job to fill the time a bit too so it may come to nothing after all...

I'm off to the South Alps soon so I may do a little bit on that (though it's not going to be in the detail of my UK write-ups, they're all on river's I'm a regular to). anyway, it's all good. DevAnubis 02:45, 22 June 2007 (MST)

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Sea Kayaking article on Wikipedia

Hi I am improving and developing the Kayaking content on Wikipedia and have just got http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_kayak up to the second place on Google. I've put a link to this site at the bottom so when you have a moment please have a look and see if you can help improve it TR 13:57, 25 April 2008 (MST)

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